Brilliant page, I can't imagine the amount of effort you must've put in. And it shows.
Just a couple of wee points:
a) Everest; 1953, not 55
b) I don't know anyone who uses the name Grampians. Why not expand the page to the rest of the Highlands (you know, the best bit, the bit you've not covered at all... all that lot up in the NW) and then just use the blanket term Highlands for the whole lot? OK, that might take a bit more work, to put it mildly... but really, who actually uses the Great Glen as a cut-off when talking about these hills, and who actually refers to the Grampians in everyday speech?
Hi there, cheers for the heads up on the Everest date, missed that one.
I take your point about the area covered, it's a bit artificial in recreational terms and probably doesn't represent how people use the area on a day to day basis. However, we did have to make a decision on what we could reasonably cover on a single web page, and extending it to cover the entire Highlands would probably make it too far big. We discussed the size and feel that it might already be too big in its present form. As Gangolf points out in his comments, a page of this size will inevitably lead to performance issues and long loading times. With these constraints in mind, I think it would be better to leave it as it is and create a new page covering the North West Highlands. It's perhaps not an ideal structure, but I think it's one that could work, and although the Great Glen may be an arbitrary boundary, at least it's an obvious one, or at least it is from a geologists perspective ;)
Cheers for the comments Dan. The page did take a while to complete.
I understand your point on the name. As a kid I remember that the only time I heard/seen the word Grampians was when they used to split the regions on the television. There was STV for the central belt, Borders for the lower region of the country and Grampians for the northern section. My understanding as a child was that the Grampians was around about the Aberdeen area. You may find it of interest to look through the Scot's team thread and the original one on the taxonomy planning that was discussed about how best to cover the country. I'm sure that everyone involved would welcome any more thoughts you have on the subject(s) or any future projects that we undertake.
Cheers,
Stephen
Just to re-emphasise, I think the page is brilliant. I didn't mean the Grampians thing as a negative criticism, and thinking about it I can see why you used the name and had to settle on the one area. But for what little they are worth here are my thoughts: I know nothing about how t'interweb works, but if I was setting out to cover Scotland in the sort of detail you've managed (fat chance!) I might be tempted to start with some sort of umbrella page covering the whole lot in very shallow detail, with links to regionalised sub-pages (forgive me, I know not the technical terms of which I speak) of the quality you've managed here. The regions might be: Islands; North West Highlands (everything on mainland N of Gt.Glen); Central Highlands (Black Mount - Ben Nevis - Creag Meagaidh - Ben Alder); East Highlands; South Highlands; Central Belt and Southern Uplands
OK you could sensibly ignore the last one as being of comparitively little interest to SP users.
I'd ditch the Grampians tag as it just doesn't seem relevant, somehow.
But hey, it's your page and you've played a blinder ;-)
Hi there Dan,
Hope your ok as not been in touch with you for a fair while. Im not being nasty here but why ignore the Southern Uplands area...?
This has been an area that I have been to many times and I have to say there are some lovely summits and mountains within. I think my Moffat Hills region SP page says a lot and puts a positive mark on that. Other summits I have done on SP, such as Broad Law and Merrick also have there own character making them special in there own way.
Look after yourself and all the best for now,
Cheers - David.
Funny enough we have in my mast working days had to deal with base jumpers of the big buggers such as the 750 and 1000 feet masts. I except your just being mean so dont worry.
Are you the sort that does base jumps...?
Cheers - David.
Many thanks Michael. We wanted to post something that gave all SP users a good overview of the region, acted as a useful resource and hopefully to tempt more visitors from abroad to the area.
Cheers,
Stephen
This is one of the finest pieces of work on SP and will continue to be a fantastic resource for decades to come. I am about to complete (on a much smaller scale) my own piece of work on the Mamore Range, which I'd be proud to add as a child to this page.
See you up in the highlands some time!
Best wishes, Mark
Hi Stephen - I have just put my 'Mamore Range' page on - and attached it as a child of your magnificent work. It isn't in the same league as yours, but I am reasonably pleased with the result (always an anxious moment just before hitting 'submit'!). Anyway, as you observed somewhere, it is good to contribute something which may encourage visitors.
Meantime, I'm hoping for another winter like the last two - to come up for another visit to the highlands myself, maybe in the New Year.
Best wishes to you all, Mark
Hi Mark,
Not looked as of yet, but will do so once I've finished typing this reply. Again, thanks for the comments. Myself, and I'm sure the rest of the guys involved, appreciate them. Judging by the last couple of years, it should be nice and snowy early November....hopefully :)
Cheers,
Stephen
Dan Bailey - Apr 23, 2009 11:16 am - Voted 10/10
it's on another levelBrilliant page, I can't imagine the amount of effort you must've put in. And it shows.
Just a couple of wee points:
a) Everest; 1953, not 55
b) I don't know anyone who uses the name Grampians. Why not expand the page to the rest of the Highlands (you know, the best bit, the bit you've not covered at all... all that lot up in the NW) and then just use the blanket term Highlands for the whole lot? OK, that might take a bit more work, to put it mildly... but really, who actually uses the Great Glen as a cut-off when talking about these hills, and who actually refers to the Grampians in everyday speech?
Minor point really, though
Nanuls - Apr 23, 2009 3:14 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: it's on another levelHi there, cheers for the heads up on the Everest date, missed that one.
I take your point about the area covered, it's a bit artificial in recreational terms and probably doesn't represent how people use the area on a day to day basis. However, we did have to make a decision on what we could reasonably cover on a single web page, and extending it to cover the entire Highlands would probably make it too far big. We discussed the size and feel that it might already be too big in its present form. As Gangolf points out in his comments, a page of this size will inevitably lead to performance issues and long loading times. With these constraints in mind, I think it would be better to leave it as it is and create a new page covering the North West Highlands. It's perhaps not an ideal structure, but I think it's one that could work, and although the Great Glen may be an arbitrary boundary, at least it's an obvious one, or at least it is from a geologists perspective ;)
Cheers
Dan
Boydie - Apr 24, 2009 5:06 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: it's on another levelCheers for the comments Dan. The page did take a while to complete.
I understand your point on the name. As a kid I remember that the only time I heard/seen the word Grampians was when they used to split the regions on the television. There was STV for the central belt, Borders for the lower region of the country and Grampians for the northern section. My understanding as a child was that the Grampians was around about the Aberdeen area. You may find it of interest to look through the Scot's team thread and the original one on the taxonomy planning that was discussed about how best to cover the country. I'm sure that everyone involved would welcome any more thoughts you have on the subject(s) or any future projects that we undertake.
Cheers,
Stephen
Dan Bailey - May 1, 2009 8:30 am - Voted 10/10
it's a tricky one...Just to re-emphasise, I think the page is brilliant. I didn't mean the Grampians thing as a negative criticism, and thinking about it I can see why you used the name and had to settle on the one area. But for what little they are worth here are my thoughts: I know nothing about how t'interweb works, but if I was setting out to cover Scotland in the sort of detail you've managed (fat chance!) I might be tempted to start with some sort of umbrella page covering the whole lot in very shallow detail, with links to regionalised sub-pages (forgive me, I know not the technical terms of which I speak) of the quality you've managed here. The regions might be: Islands; North West Highlands (everything on mainland N of Gt.Glen); Central Highlands (Black Mount - Ben Nevis - Creag Meagaidh - Ben Alder); East Highlands; South Highlands; Central Belt and Southern Uplands
OK you could sensibly ignore the last one as being of comparitively little interest to SP users.
I'd ditch the Grampians tag as it just doesn't seem relevant, somehow.
But hey, it's your page and you've played a blinder ;-)
daveyboy - May 1, 2009 12:42 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: it's a tricky one...Hi there Dan,
Hope your ok as not been in touch with you for a fair while. Im not being nasty here but why ignore the Southern Uplands area...?
This has been an area that I have been to many times and I have to say there are some lovely summits and mountains within. I think my Moffat Hills region SP page says a lot and puts a positive mark on that. Other summits I have done on SP, such as Broad Law and Merrick also have there own character making them special in there own way.
Look after yourself and all the best for now,
Cheers - David.
Dan Bailey - May 2, 2009 10:30 am - Voted 10/10
Re: it's a tricky one...Ignore me D, I'm just being mean.
Just seen your pics from the Arfon mast - wow. Must be a good base jump..?
daveyboy - May 2, 2009 6:19 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: it's a tricky one...Funny enough we have in my mast working days had to deal with base jumpers of the big buggers such as the 750 and 1000 feet masts. I except your just being mean so dont worry.
Are you the sort that does base jumps...?
Cheers - David.
selinunte01 - Apr 24, 2009 12:03 pm - Voted 10/10
OutstandingThis is not a web page, this is a complete guide book. The very best work I have seen on SP. Thanks for sharing it!!
Michael
Boydie - Apr 24, 2009 4:43 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: OutstandingMany thanks Michael. We wanted to post something that gave all SP users a good overview of the region, acted as a useful resource and hopefully to tempt more visitors from abroad to the area.
Cheers,
Stephen
Nanuls - Apr 27, 2009 4:34 am - Hasn't voted
Re: OutstandingYes, thanks very much.
All the best
Dan
Charles - Apr 26, 2009 11:07 am - Voted 10/10
great Pageand I still need to scan those shots on Meggy.
Cheers
Charles
Nanuls - Apr 27, 2009 4:34 am - Hasn't voted
Re: great PageThanks very much Charles, looking forward to seeing those photos.
Cheers
Dan
markhallam - Aug 5, 2011 1:24 am - Voted 10/10
One of SP's finestThis is one of the finest pieces of work on SP and will continue to be a fantastic resource for decades to come. I am about to complete (on a much smaller scale) my own piece of work on the Mamore Range, which I'd be proud to add as a child to this page.
See you up in the highlands some time!
Best wishes, Mark
Boydie - Aug 5, 2011 8:41 am - Hasn't voted
Re: One of SP's finestThanks for your comments Mark. We'll keep an eye out for your Mamores page.
Cheers,
Stephen
markhallam - Aug 6, 2011 2:08 am - Voted 10/10
Re: One of SP's finestHi Stephen - I have just put my 'Mamore Range' page on - and attached it as a child of your magnificent work. It isn't in the same league as yours, but I am reasonably pleased with the result (always an anxious moment just before hitting 'submit'!). Anyway, as you observed somewhere, it is good to contribute something which may encourage visitors.
Meantime, I'm hoping for another winter like the last two - to come up for another visit to the highlands myself, maybe in the New Year.
Best wishes to you all, Mark
Boydie - Aug 6, 2011 4:03 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: One of SP's finestHi Mark,
Not looked as of yet, but will do so once I've finished typing this reply. Again, thanks for the comments. Myself, and I'm sure the rest of the guys involved, appreciate them. Judging by the last couple of years, it should be nice and snowy early November....hopefully :)
Cheers,
Stephen
Nanuls - Aug 9, 2011 4:37 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: One of SP's finestHey Mark, thanks for your comments and your work on the Mamores page. I'll endeavour to make all relevant links live over the next few days.
Cheers!
Dan