Beautiful photos! The narrative is very nice too. Some SP members might be able to help translate your passages into English... I'll add more stars when that's done. Cheers
-Vote edited after adoptions by Corax, Aug 22, 2005.
In 1995, I visited the Kailash and took some photos. I posted one of these photo, and voted to Kailash page.
There is a hypothesis that until around the 8th century, there was queendom in this area. And the part of the queen family emigrated to southwestern China and found a similar queendom. That place is the area where there is the Four Girls Mountains.
If you have interest for the Four Girls Mountains, please visit to http://www.eastalps.com/scholaweb/conts.htm.
bassically a good page. But I cannot read Italian: I will change my vote up once its available all in English also.
Edit August 2005: With the work done on the page by the new maintainer, now it is truly a four star page!
By the way Janne, interesting part about the climbed status of the peak. Although not with much detail, such a story did also reach my ears. Indeed it was about Swedes, but that cannot possibly be about you and your Swiss friend, as it does not correspond in time: It said that the year after the Spanish affair two did climb the peak on the sly, and only just escaped being lynched by some bhuddists. A botanist visiting the peak one year later, and of who the locals expected he was also out to climb, also got into dire trouble. Whatever the case might be: Climbing Kailash should not be attempted!
Yes, indeed sometimes permits are given for holy mountains. However, there is much movement going on in government circles to declare a certain number of mountains off limit for religious reasons, what however they want to avoid is every monk declares his own holy mountain: In order to be recognized as thus there should be wider recognition than only local.
Yeah would be real "fun" to be hacked to pieces, almost happened with the botanist I mention. Anyway, even being non religious, I will be on the side of the monks if one day a perpetrator meets such a fate.
Besides bhuddist holy mountains there are also shamanist ones, e.g. Bogda, Khan Tengri, Belukha Tavan Bogd and so on. Here however the issue of climbing is not as important as more the way in which it is done and it seems that these will not be closed.
I don't recall seeing the original page, but this is truly outstanding now. A fascinating read. You have done well by the holy mountain, in my humble opinion.
This is an outstanding page. Very informative and reads like a novel.
I see images of a sacred mountain in a magical land, long tortuous roads over big deserts, 5000 m passes, dead chopped-up monks being fed to birds/dogs, Crazy S cycling on high desolate plateaus....
It's an amazing peak in a very interesting area. Anyone who likes to read fantasy books should visit the Tibetan high plateau. There's something "out-of-this-worldly" there.
I though about posting photos of the aftermath of a sky burial, but decided against it. I even regret taking these shots nowadays.
Dow Williams - Sep 23, 2005 11:54 am - Voted 10/10
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You are right about the similarity Janne. Assiniboine is one of our classics in the southern region that is seen from every summit. There is a solo climber with the last name Dow who is lost on the mountain as I type. Everybody thinks it is me. Weird deal. Dow is a very uncommon name. Cheers.
1). It was the general rule here on SP, to submit Chinese mountains under the province name. As it is now, only Tibet/Xizang is amongst the choices. Therefore I find the whole system here inconsistent. I have complained about this, but to no avail.
2). The majority would consider Tibet a country. As it is today, Tibet is not recongnized as a independent country by any other state. The discussion about this has also been raging here on SP and the bottom line was: SP pages should be as correct as possible and never be a place to prove a political stand point.
I fully understand your viewpoint, but as it is, I think it's more correct to sort the mountains under China.
Thanks Corax for your Kailash page.
I hope the mountain will remain unclimbed for a long time.
In your map section, you may add the Kailash 1:50'000 map from Nepa Map available in Kathmandu. Not necessary for the Kora, but it can give some ideas for trekking peaks about 5'800-6'000m around Kailash.
gordonye - Dec 4, 2002 12:38 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentBeautiful photos! The narrative is very nice too. Some SP members might be able to help translate your passages into English... I'll add more stars when that's done. Cheers
-Vote edited after adoptions by Corax, Aug 22, 2005.
Kenzo Okawa - Apr 22, 2003 9:57 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentCiao ilnodoinfinito !
cc: Gordonye
In 1995, I visited the Kailash and took some photos.
I posted one of these photo, and voted to Kailash page.
There is a hypothesis that until around the 8th century, there was queendom in this area.
And the part of the queen family emigrated to southwestern China and found a similar queendom.
That place is the area where there is the Four Girls Mountains.
If you have interest for the Four Girls Mountains, please visit to http://www.eastalps.com/scholaweb/conts.htm.
Keep in touch.
Kenzo
Kenzo Okawa - Apr 22, 2003 9:52 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentCiao ilnodoinfinito!
In 1995, I visited the Kailash and took some photos. I posted one of these photo, and voted to Kailash page.
There is a hypothesis that until around the 8th century, there was queendom in this area. And the part of the queen family emigrated to southwestern China and found a similar queendom. That place is the area where there is the Four Girls Mountains.
If you have interest for the Four Girls Mountains, please visit to http://www.eastalps.com/scholaweb/conts.htm.
Keep in touch.
Kenzo
Kenzo Okawa - Aug 21, 2005 11:05 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentI changed to 4 stars, and I am quite agree with Nelson Chenkin's comment as follows: this is truly outstanding. A fascinating read.
I respect your work!
tlogan - Apr 26, 2003 12:22 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentNice work... yet again.
Johan Heersink - Oct 31, 2003 10:06 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled Commentbassically a good page. But I cannot read Italian: I will change my vote up once its available all in English also.
Edit August 2005: With the work done on the page by the new maintainer, now it is truly a four star page!
By the way Janne, interesting part about the climbed status of the peak. Although not with much detail, such a story did also reach my ears. Indeed it was about Swedes, but that cannot possibly be about you and your Swiss friend, as it does not correspond in time: It said that the year after the Spanish affair two did climb the peak on the sly, and only just escaped being lynched by some bhuddists. A botanist visiting the peak one year later, and of who the locals expected he was also out to climb, also got into dire trouble. Whatever the case might be: Climbing Kailash should not be attempted!
Johan Heersink - Aug 23, 2005 7:46 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentYes, indeed sometimes permits are given for holy mountains. However, there is much movement going on in government circles to declare a certain number of mountains off limit for religious reasons, what however they want to avoid is every monk declares his own holy mountain: In order to be recognized as thus there should be wider recognition than only local.
Yeah would be real "fun" to be hacked to pieces, almost happened with the botanist I mention. Anyway, even being non religious, I will be on the side of the monks if one day a perpetrator meets such a fate.
Besides bhuddist holy mountains there are also shamanist ones, e.g. Bogda, Khan Tengri, Belukha Tavan Bogd and so on. Here however the issue of climbing is not as important as more the way in which it is done and it seems that these will not be closed.
eza - Jan 19, 2004 10:19 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentA nice page, maybe some more pictures would make it deserve the fourth star
Edited 22nd August 2005: Upgraded to 4-stars, impressive work by the new maintainer. Congratulations, Corax
Corax - Aug 18, 2005 8:24 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentThanks for the vote Corax.
Regards, Corax.
:-)
Nelson - Aug 20, 2005 11:00 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentI don't recall seeing the original page, but this is truly outstanding now. A fascinating read. You have done well by the holy mountain, in my humble opinion.
andreaperino - Aug 25, 2005 4:08 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentExcellent!!
nader - Aug 26, 2005 12:28 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentThis is an outstanding page. Very informative and reads like a novel.
I see images of a sacred mountain in a magical land, long tortuous roads over big deserts, 5000 m passes, dead chopped-up monks being fed to birds/dogs, Crazy S cycling on high desolate plateaus....
Corax - Aug 28, 2005 6:09 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentIt's an amazing peak in a very interesting area. Anyone who likes to read fantasy books should visit the Tibetan high plateau. There's something "out-of-this-worldly" there.
I though about posting photos of the aftermath of a sky burial, but decided against it. I even regret taking these shots nowadays.
Dow Williams - Sep 23, 2005 11:54 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentYou are right about the similarity Janne. Assiniboine is one of our classics in the southern region that is seen from every summit. There is a solo climber with the last name Dow who is lost on the mountain as I type. Everybody thinks it is me. Weird deal. Dow is a very uncommon name. Cheers.
Corax - Oct 10, 2005 5:58 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentThanks for the vote Marco!
I would gladly do so if:
1). It was the general rule here on SP, to submit Chinese mountains under the province name. As it is now, only Tibet/Xizang is amongst the choices. Therefore I find the whole system here inconsistent. I have complained about this, but to no avail.
2). The majority would consider Tibet a country. As it is today, Tibet is not recongnized as a independent country by any other state. The discussion about this has also been raging here on SP and the bottom line was: SP pages should be as correct as possible and never be a place to prove a political stand point.
I fully understand your viewpoint, but as it is, I think it's more correct to sort the mountains under China.
Corax - Oct 10, 2005 7:14 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentSorry, forget point one in my answer. I mis-read your message completely.
vvujisic - Dec 5, 2005 12:09 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentOM SHIVAYA NAMAHA
It's the great privilege to be the maintainer of SHIVA's holly mountain!
Regards Janne,
Vlado
OM NAMAH SHIVAYA
Bruno - Feb 4, 2008 7:06 am - Voted 10/10
Great page!Thanks Corax for your Kailash page.
I hope the mountain will remain unclimbed for a long time.
In your map section, you may add the Kailash 1:50'000 map from Nepa Map available in Kathmandu. Not necessary for the Kora, but it can give some ideas for trekking peaks about 5'800-6'000m around Kailash.
Corax - Feb 5, 2008 12:42 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Great page!Thanks!
I think the risk that the peak will be climbed is very small.
I'll add the info about the Nepa Map.