Steve1215 wrote:Here's an interesting and pointless question: When and if Williamson Rock re-opens, how many bolt-clipping sport climbers would hike two days to climb there, if the ACH is closed? The answer is probably zero.

Hmm... There is an interesting idea. If the road is closed, I wonder how many rangers would patrol to see if there is anyone climbing.

Steve1215 wrote:Here's an interesting and pointless question: When and if Williamson Rock re-opens, how many bolt-clipping sport climbers would hike two days to climb there, if the ACH is closed? The answer is probably zero. I guess that's thread-drift...implying this rock is over-rated.

I remember in the 1970s a group of environmentalists were serious about ripping ALL THE ASPHALT and buildings out of Yosemite Valley, and allowing only backpackers to enter. Their idea gained no traction either.

It wouldn't be that bad of a mt. bike ride from Wrightwood. It would still keep a lot of the fluff away, but certainly not everyone. Plus, if you could camp at that creek near the base, you'd have a pretty nice set up.

I think riding a bike up to Willie from Red Box would be brilliant (with no traffic.) It's not like you need to carry a double set of cams and two ropes.

ksolem wrote:I think riding a bike up to Willie from Red Box would be brilliant (with no traffic.) It's not like you need to carry a double set of cams and two ropes.

That would not be an insignificant ride. What, about 25 miles one way with that long climb up to Buckhorn Summit or whatever it's called. It'd be a beaut though.

fatdad wrote:

ksolem wrote:I think riding a bike up to Willie from Red Box would be brilliant (with no traffic.) It's not like you need to carry a double set of cams and two ropes.

That would not be an insignificant ride. What, about 25 miles one way with that long climb up to Buckhorn Summit or whatever it's called. It'd be a beaut though.

That's what I was thinking. With all the extra time biking, I'm sure you could get to sweeter rock climbs than Williamson.

Luciano136 wrote:
That's what I was thinking. With all the extra time biking, I'm sure you could get to sweeter rock climbs than Williamson.

Hold on there just one second.

Have you ever climbed at "Willie"

Guyzo wrote:

Luciano136 wrote:
That's what I was thinking. With all the extra time biking, I'm sure you could get to sweeter rock climbs than Williamson.

Hold on there just one second.

Have you ever climbed at "Willie"

I have not but I do know that biking 25mi uphill would probably be 2.5h. If I use that time to drive somewhere, willie would have to be better than anything in Joshua Tree, Tahquitz, Big Bear etc. Heck, if I add the time it takes to drive the Red Box, I can even make it to Lone Pine! So, even if Willie is awesome, it has some serious competition.

Luciano136 wrote:

Guyzo wrote:

Luciano136 wrote:
That's what I was thinking. With all the extra time biking, I'm sure you could get to sweeter rock climbs than Williamson.

Hold on there just one second.

Have you ever climbed at "Willie"

I have not but I do know that biking 25mi uphill would probably be 2.5h. If I use that time to drive somewhere, willie would have to be better than anything in Joshua Tree, Tahquitz, Big Bear etc. Heck, if I add the time it takes to drive the Red Box, I can even make it to Lone Pine! So, even if Willie is awesome, it has some serious competition.

Willie, IMHO, sports some of the best climbing on the west coast. It is very unique with steep, hard, technical rockclimbing in the 11 to 13 range and brilliant moderates in the 7 to 10 range. Besides the bike ride would be worth it just for the good frog gaffin, them yellow legged ones are pretty tasty.

If the road went to the last of the camps or the Ski area, that would be pretty cool. You could access some very nice countryside on foot or on a Mt. Bike. This could be some sort of a giant "Park" in LA county.

Gary Schenk wrote:

x15x15 wrote:... so get off of your high horse ...

Whoa. When x15x15 tells you to get off your high horse you've obviously gone too far. Tonight I will start hauling bags of fill to the washout in an effort to make amends.

Happy driving, all!

well gary, you are on a high horse. fortunately, so am i, so i can see above your bullshite...

still waiting for your bags of fill, or are you all talk?

Guyzo wrote:

Luciano136 wrote:

Guyzo wrote:

Luciano136 wrote:
That's what I was thinking. With all the extra time biking, I'm sure you could get to sweeter rock climbs than Williamson.

Hold on there just one second.

Have you ever climbed at "Willie"

I have not but I do know that biking 25mi uphill would probably be 2.5h. If I use that time to drive somewhere, willie would have to be better than anything in Joshua Tree, Tahquitz, Big Bear etc. Heck, if I add the time it takes to drive the Red Box, I can even make it to Lone Pine! So, even if Willie is awesome, it has some serious competition.

Willie, IMHO, sports some of the best climbing on the west coast.

You think so? I'm glad Williamson has some loyal fans, but I never really thought it was all that great. Kind of chossy granite, a bit too much "cleaning", but convenient and in a nice setting. I certainly wouldn't drive for it if it wasn't in our backyard.

Let it die and let them little Yellow Legged Frogs have their way

I'd be totally fine with closing the area at the ski areas. It pretty much was like that for a while when the frog closure was in effect. I biked to Islip saddle then, snowshoed to Dawson saddle and went up Mt. Lewis. I didn't see another soul the whole day. It was magical.

butitsadryheat wrote:nice pic

Thx . One of the most relaxing days I ever had out there.